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thousands attend a romney ryan rally in wisconsin. it was an meegsnal nig -- emoti night as he faced the crowds in his home state. >> thank you, wisconsin. it is good to be home. oh. i tell ya, i love wisconsin. heather now from brookville, wisconsin with more of what could be romney's loringest campaign event to date. how many people were there? >> good morning heather, good morning ladies and good morning to all of you. at least 10,000 people showed up last night. you are absolutely right. this is the largest event turnout for the romney ryan ticket yet. traffic was backed up for more than 2 mil to get in. they originally planned to hold this inside a convention center but they had to move the event outside. perhaps there was no sur vise there was such a huge turnout. ryan is considered a popular figure here in the state in his congressional district which by the way is not considered a district it is diverse. he has won by more than 60 percent. in 2010 he won by 68 percent. i have to tell you my family is from the state. i spent an
thousands attend a romney ryan rally in wisconsin. it was an meegsnal nig -- emoti night as he faced the crowds in his home state. >> thank you, wisconsin. it is good to be home. oh. i tell ya, i love wisconsin. heather now from brookville, wisconsin with more of what could be romney's loringest campaign event to date. how many people were there? >> good morning heather, good morning ladies and good morning to all of you. at least 10,000 people showed up last night. you are...
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a view if romney/ryan, do they get the independent vote? do you have any thoughts there? >> it all depends on how well either side defines ryan. you know, congressman ryan well known inside the beltway, well known on cnbc, but the average american does not know him yet. to the extent that the republicans can identify him as a man with good ideas who can sell these programs in a wonky way, i think they can get the independent vote. but if democrats are able to identified them as an ideal log, that it's another sarah palin pick, someone that wants to take away your entitlement benefits, then i think they ee goal away from ticket in droves. >> but this is not a sarah palin pick ought all, sir. come on. when you look at canter, rubio, paul ryan, three of the folks that were the focus of the picks, they're head and shoulders above these other folks that you might say were a sarah palinesque reach. this was not a reach. this was exactly a middle of the road-type candidate as far as what the republicans wanted for your the spot. >> i would disagre
a view if romney/ryan, do they get the independent vote? do you have any thoughts there? >> it all depends on how well either side defines ryan. you know, congressman ryan well known inside the beltway, well known on cnbc, but the average american does not know him yet. to the extent that the republicans can identify him as a man with good ideas who can sell these programs in a wonky way, i think they can get the independent vote. but if democrats are able to identified them as an ideal...
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to an airport who flew him to a meeting with mitt romney in which romney asked ryan to be his vp. and ryan said this. >> it was pretty helpful. i love this country dearly. i feel like we have an opportunity -- [inaudible]. >> so at least we know this much about the romney-ryan m cay pain. campaign. they can keep a secret pretty good. we have to double down on our stakeouts. that's what we will have to do. >> it will make a job even tougher. going up to hua casa, wisconsin for a rally. what do we expect at that? and what are their plans after the rally. >> it will be sizable, and the energy level should be very good. the western suburbs of milwaukee are about as red a territory as you will find in the state of wisconsin. turnout is expected to be very heavy. paul ryan is one of those folks who really fires up folks on the right and really fires up folks on the left as well. you will see a lot of energy and a lot of positive energy. then ryan takes off to campaign on his own. ryan and romney can't campaign together and cover as much territory. ryan is off to iowa, and as we understa
to an airport who flew him to a meeting with mitt romney in which romney asked ryan to be his vp. and ryan said this. >> it was pretty helpful. i love this country dearly. i feel like we have an opportunity -- [inaudible]. >> so at least we know this much about the romney-ryan m cay pain. campaign. they can keep a secret pretty good. we have to double down on our stakeouts. that's what we will have to do. >> it will make a job even tougher. going up to hua casa, wisconsin for...
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ryan and romney can't campaign together and cover as much territory. ryan is off to iowa, and as we understand it, the state fair that might be a problem is a self-professed health nut. he really watches what he eats. he turns down birthday cake supplied to him by fox news sunday when he came in to do the show. the iowa state fair is known for the array of deep fried things available to eat there. i think the congressman and the new vp choice will find it difficult to find something to eat at the iowa state fair. >> if you haven't had the iowa twinkies at the iowa state fair you haven't lived. president obama will be in iowa tomorrow too. steve brown, always good to see you. >> i have seen steve at that fair. a little background on paul ryan. he was born and raised in wisconsin. he graduated from joseph craig high school in 1988. the town's population was at latest at 63,000 with the median household income from 2006 to 2010 about $48,000. the most recent unemployment rate topped 9% up from 8.4% the previous month and above the national average. govern
ryan and romney can't campaign together and cover as much territory. ryan is off to iowa, and as we understand it, the state fair that might be a problem is a self-professed health nut. he really watches what he eats. he turns down birthday cake supplied to him by fox news sunday when he came in to do the show. the iowa state fair is known for the array of deep fried things available to eat there. i think the congressman and the new vp choice will find it difficult to find something to eat at...
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pundits call ryan a gutsy choice for romney. joe biden fired back. >> what's gutsy about giving millionaires another tax break? what's gutsy -- what's gutsy about gutting medicare, medicaid, education? what's gutsy? >> at the same time, both president obama and paul ryan were making stops in central iowa and both spoke at the state fair. they're both getting a firsthand look at what is essentially become ground zero for the worst drought in 50 years in this country. ryan will have to explain why he is blocking a farm bill that would provide disaster relief for farmers and ranchers. president obama asked supporters in iowa to pass along this message. >> unfortunately right now, too many members of congress are blocking the farm bill from becoming law. i am told that governor romney's new running mate paul ryan might be around iowa in the next few days. he's one of it leaders of congress standing in the way. so if you happen to see congressman ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to iowa and our rural communities. >> not
pundits call ryan a gutsy choice for romney. joe biden fired back. >> what's gutsy about giving millionaires another tax break? what's gutsy -- what's gutsy about gutting medicare, medicaid, education? what's gutsy? >> at the same time, both president obama and paul ryan were making stops in central iowa and both spoke at the state fair. they're both getting a firsthand look at what is essentially become ground zero for the worst drought in 50 years in this country. ryan will have...
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to understand what romney's going to do, look at ryan. ryan is really in charge. conservatives envision romney as a kind of ceremonial head of state who might direct foreign policy but in the domestic arena, he will do what ryan wants. ryan is not a deal maker. ryan's not a compromiser. ryan has a maximalist vision and strategy that he's been pursuing consistently since he basically gained control of the house republican caucus at the beginning of 2010. he's been very diligently and effectively subverting any bipartisan agreement to deal with the deficit over the long term, in the hopes they can win the election, have a majority in both houses and use it to push through his plan pretty much unchanged. >> ezra, i want to ask, in terms of the obama campaign and the medicare question, how to sort of best sell the fork in the road to the american public. the "wall street journal" on the editorial page writes our advice is that mitt romney go on offense on medicare. he could hit mr. obama with ads in florida and elsewhere for his $716 billion in medicare cuts and his p
to understand what romney's going to do, look at ryan. ryan is really in charge. conservatives envision romney as a kind of ceremonial head of state who might direct foreign policy but in the domestic arena, he will do what ryan wants. ryan is not a deal maker. ryan's not a compromiser. ryan has a maximalist vision and strategy that he's been pursuing consistently since he basically gained control of the house republican caucus at the beginning of 2010. he's been very diligently and effectively...
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i think romney-ryan now is going to win. i think it's going to be pretty rough come october, us in my next book. "demonic" even that, you need to read all my books in order. they build on one another. that describes the group think of liberals and how they speak in images and metaphors in order to i voavoid facts. mobs can't be weighed down with facts and figures. but an image of being put in chains. >> is that not a racial slur of some kind? i mean, really -- i mean, i heard that and i couldn't believe my years. >> yes. kbu this is what they do. and cure osly, this is a beautiful example of it. the fact is entitlement programs as i talked about on your radio show this weekend are a disaster for black men in particular because they die younger. when social security and medicare were designed by the secular saint fdr, you know, they start kicking in at age 65. that was the average life span. well, now the average life span for americans is what what? up about 80 years old. that's mostly white women. the entitlement programs a
i think romney-ryan now is going to win. i think it's going to be pretty rough come october, us in my next book. "demonic" even that, you need to read all my books in order. they build on one another. that describes the group think of liberals and how they speak in images and metaphors in order to i voavoid facts. mobs can't be weighed down with facts and figures. but an image of being put in chains. >> is that not a racial slur of some kind? i mean, really -- i mean, i heard...
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we look at how religion will play out for the romney/ryan ticket. and with surrogates like these, a new story reveals turmoil on team romney, both behind the scenes and in front of the cameras. a little snack. on a wednesday. at 2 am. get that great taste anytime with kingsford match light charcoal. check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. >>> after four days of pomp and circumstance touting the big choices facing the country, the biggest choice for governor romney may be whether or not he can touch his running mate's record with a ten-foot pole. it's tuesday, august 14th and this is "now." joining me today, rana foroohar from "time" magazine. patricia murphy, contributor to the daily beast. and "new york times" political reporter, nicholas confessore. it is the first week of mitt romney's vp rollout extravaganza and his selection is already
we look at how religion will play out for the romney/ryan ticket. and with surrogates like these, a new story reveals turmoil on team romney, both behind the scenes and in front of the cameras. a little snack. on a wednesday. at 2 am. get that great taste anytime with kingsford match light charcoal. check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary...
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campaign that perhaps this ryan, can add to romney's energy. now, historically the selection of a running mate 4 to 6% bump in the poll, not much more, that's yet to materialize for paul ryan, but we're only in the first week, having said that the romney campaign is counting on combined 11 point bounce in the polls. and putting the two together, they hope will bring about the 11 point bounce much faster, doug. >> carl cameron at the villages, where paul ryan continues to work the rope line there. thanks, karl. and president obama is wheels up to new hampshire and when he arrives, he arrived in new hampshire in the next hour and greeted by this sign, not so friendly reminder of romney campaign, that the comment with small businesses is a sticking point with small business owners and one is gene marks, founder and owner of the marks group and joins us right now. goods to see you, gene. >> hey, doug, how are you. >> well, thank you. tell me what you made of that speech you just heard? >> first of all, i think it sums up completely why i'm actually
campaign that perhaps this ryan, can add to romney's energy. now, historically the selection of a running mate 4 to 6% bump in the poll, not much more, that's yet to materialize for paul ryan, but we're only in the first week, having said that the romney campaign is counting on combined 11 point bounce in the polls. and putting the two together, they hope will bring about the 11 point bounce much faster, doug. >> carl cameron at the villages, where paul ryan continues to work the rope...
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so governor romney and paul ryan want to fix medicare. they want to strengthen it for future generations. >> let me get an answer from you with all due respect. that going to talk about it? >> of course, of course, we have to talk about it. of course, of course. president obama is taking $700 billion out of medicare to fund his new obama plan. that doesn't make sense. of course we have to talk about it. this is a serious campaign. >> yeah, i agree with you. >> we're talking about issues and problems that need to be solved. >> i agree with you. and one of the biggest issues, doesn't matter where you come from, unemployment, 14.1% in the african-american community, 10.3% in the hispanic community. 8.3% across the country. what specifically do you think a president can really do to change that situation? >> there are five things they want do. this problem is worse. these are people who have been taken out of the labor force. president romney will dramatically increase and strengthen our ability to become an independent energy source, a power
so governor romney and paul ryan want to fix medicare. they want to strengthen it for future generations. >> let me get an answer from you with all due respect. that going to talk about it? >> of course, of course, we have to talk about it. of course, of course. president obama is taking $700 billion out of medicare to fund his new obama plan. that doesn't make sense. of course we have to talk about it. this is a serious campaign. >> yeah, i agree with you. >> we're...
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let's start with winners and losers under the romney-ryan tax plan. their plans an r a little bit different, one from another. >> also different from obama's. what the ryan appointment has done is really looked at what role do the wealthy play in the society? under the ryan plans, under the house budget plan, people making $1 million or more get a tax cut of $264,000 a year. under the obama plan, the taxes go up by $250,000. a year. under the romney plan, less generous than ryan, taxes would go down for those million-plus earners by around $250,000. so under romney, it's 250. under ryan, it's 264. >> a big difference here is what they do with capital gains. ryan says no tax on capital gains. romney has a tax on capital gains for the above 250k mark. >> ryan eliminates capital gains taxes on dividends, investments for everybody. and romney kind of means tests it, i guess, where he says, look, if you're earning a lot of money, you're going to pay the capital gains taxes but, you know, below that which is, you know, most investors, they would haven't to
let's start with winners and losers under the romney-ryan tax plan. their plans an r a little bit different, one from another. >> also different from obama's. what the ryan appointment has done is really looked at what role do the wealthy play in the society? under the ryan plans, under the house budget plan, people making $1 million or more get a tax cut of $264,000 a year. under the obama plan, the taxes go up by $250,000. a year. under the romney plan, less generous than ryan, taxes...
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the miami herald, ryan could hurt romney in florida. the indian river press journal, ryan may be a liability in florida. romney's pick for running mate could antagonize many seniors. with ryan in, medicare key. they weren't fans of bold policy that intruded on health care. the ledger newspaper of lakeland, florida. romney seeks distance from ryan's plans. the" bradenton herald", ryan could be a drag in florida. see, in republicanville, paul ryan may be some combination of a reincarnated ronald reagan and a rock star. but in normalville, outside of the bubble, he's the kill medicare guy. and again, i think this may be a shock to them. republicans have their own echo chamber, if you listen to conservatives, just echoing each other, just talking to each other about paul ryan, you would think that selecting him was not only noncontroversial, you would think that it was being greeted with universal acclaim. it is not. usa today had the first polling today since paul ryan was tapped to be mitt romney's running mate, and it is not pretty for t
the miami herald, ryan could hurt romney in florida. the indian river press journal, ryan may be a liability in florida. romney's pick for running mate could antagonize many seniors. with ryan in, medicare key. they weren't fans of bold policy that intruded on health care. the ledger newspaper of lakeland, florida. romney seeks distance from ryan's plans. the" bradenton herald", ryan could be a drag in florida. see, in republicanville, paul ryan may be some combination of a...
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mitt romney picks paul ryan for the vice presidential ticket. would he have hired him at bain capital? a former bain insider joins us for insight. >> you have to get away from the too big to fail doctrine. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. >>> well, one of our next guests says get used to the pain at the pump we are paying these days because it may get even worse. he says gasoline could spike to $5 a gallon over the next month if we see any action from what he calls the two bens. ben bernanke or binyamin netanyahu. >> joining us is jamie mcilvaine. patrick dehan of gasbuddy.com and couldn't disagree more that $5 is o
mitt romney picks paul ryan for the vice presidential ticket. would he have hired him at bain capital? a former bain insider joins us for insight. >> you have to get away from the too big to fail doctrine. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [...
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this was a ryan-romney ticket unveiling. gregg: i would have camped out in a tree where you could see everything. no i won't. thanks, good to see you. martha: stickers in your hair at the end of that adventure. the whole ryan family made their debut on the presidential campaign trail, giving many americans the first glimpse of ryan's wife jana. they met through a mutual friend in 1999 where ryan was a few months into his first term in congress. she was working on capitol hill. they married in 2000. she was working as a tax attorney and they moved to janesville, wisconsin to raise a family. they have a daughter age 10. two sons ages 8 and 7. i think that is a good order for a family, girl, boy, boy, that's what i have too. gregg: fox news alert weather alert, a semi truck is violently tossed on its side in the middle of a divider while rains and storms go through durant, oklahoma. it left a lot of folks without power. no serious injuries have been reported so far. martha: president obama is set to unveil new plans today aimed
this was a ryan-romney ticket unveiling. gregg: i would have camped out in a tree where you could see everything. no i won't. thanks, good to see you. martha: stickers in your hair at the end of that adventure. the whole ryan family made their debut on the presidential campaign trail, giving many americans the first glimpse of ryan's wife jana. they met through a mutual friend in 1999 where ryan was a few months into his first term in congress. she was working on capitol hill. they married in...
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going with ryan, romney or obama? >> i don't tell people how to vote. >> no, in terms of policy. >> people have to make judgment calls on where they think federal dollars should go. medicare's on the same path spending wise under obama and ryan. it will grow gdp plus 0.5%. obama tries to make that work by changing things on the provider and payment side. trying on to make medicare pay for quality. ryan does it by moving to a voucher program. if you're voting on medicare in the direction you think will be more effective. >> take a look at this romney campaign ad. it is the new tv ad and attacking the present on medicare coming from romney's side. >> you paid into medicare for years. every paycheck. now when you need it, obama has cut $716 billion from medicare. why? to pay for obama care. so now the money you paid for your guaranteed health care is is going to a massive new government program that's not for you. the romney/ryan plan protects medicare benefits for today's seniors and strengthen it is plan important the
going with ryan, romney or obama? >> i don't tell people how to vote. >> no, in terms of policy. >> people have to make judgment calls on where they think federal dollars should go. medicare's on the same path spending wise under obama and ryan. it will grow gdp plus 0.5%. obama tries to make that work by changing things on the provider and payment side. trying on to make medicare pay for quality. ryan does it by moving to a voucher program. if you're voting on medicare in the...
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and mitt romney has picked paul ryan. but, you know, i think the point to remember here is that romney/ryan part of this is something the republicans had already started and scott brown is deeply tied into. look at the votes they've already taken. the buffett rule, whether or not billionaires should be able to get away paying half of rate of their secretaries, scott brown and all the republicans voted to protect those tax breaks for billionaires. the oil company subsidies, the biggest profitable companies in the united states making huge profits, scott brown and all the republicans said they get to keep those tax breaks. but then when it came time to give tax breaks to 98% of america's working families, scott brown and the republicans said, no, no, no. no breaks for them unless the top 2% get even bigger breaks. so the basic direction of romney, ryan, brown has already been set. it's just gone now to its clearest position with the adoption of ryan as the running mate. >> well, thanks for being on. it's great to have you o
and mitt romney has picked paul ryan. but, you know, i think the point to remember here is that romney/ryan part of this is something the republicans had already started and scott brown is deeply tied into. look at the votes they've already taken. the buffett rule, whether or not billionaires should be able to get away paying half of rate of their secretaries, scott brown and all the republicans voted to protect those tax breaks for billionaires. the oil company subsidies, the biggest...
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but who's vision will be executed if they get elected, ryan or romney? >> i have my budget plan that i -- i have put out, and that's the budget plan we are going to run on. >> it is a trojan horse. disguised as deficit reduction plans, it's really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country. >> a vision that would see medicare drop by a third by mid-century and medicaid my even more. while ryan insists his medicare plan will extent the program's life in part by offering seniors alternatives david axelrod says it's a killer. >> medicare itself will be in a death spiral because it will be dissipated by healthy seniors going into the private system leaving sick seniors in the existing medicare program. >> as ryan discovered at the iowa state flair today, some hecklers agreed. >> i -- i -- >> are you going to cut medicare! [ inaudible ] >> like i said she must not be from iowa! [ cheers and applause ] >> hey, all right! >> actually she probably is. it's the congressman who is not. many adults out there are already hesitant about ryan's candidacy, ju
but who's vision will be executed if they get elected, ryan or romney? >> i have my budget plan that i -- i have put out, and that's the budget plan we are going to run on. >> it is a trojan horse. disguised as deficit reduction plans, it's really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country. >> a vision that would see medicare drop by a third by mid-century and medicaid my even more. while ryan insists his medicare plan will extent the program's life in part by...
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romney-ryan team very excited by the reaction. romney is bouyant and excited about ryan bringing energy to the cam bane what henied. there is a lot of enthusiasm and confidence building here in the romneyn. it a rough couple of weeks of polls that showed president obama was gaining ground and mr. romney was slipping behind a bit. they firmly believe that romney will supply the juice needed and get more junk back in the republican campaign step and be ahead by the time the republican convention is over. >> there was a lot of energy n and enthusiasm in norfolk. we'll hear from carl throughout the day. we'll bring in our political panel. and we are joined in washington for brad blakeman . democratic strat yist chris hahn. and great to see you today. brad, let's start with you . what do you make of the pick. people thought it was a bold move that mitt romney needed to make to put new energy in the campaign and people wondering if it was the right pick. >> i don't think it a bold pick but the right pick. you look for a vice-president a
romney-ryan team very excited by the reaction. romney is bouyant and excited about ryan bringing energy to the cam bane what henied. there is a lot of enthusiasm and confidence building here in the romneyn. it a rough couple of weeks of polls that showed president obama was gaining ground and mr. romney was slipping behind a bit. they firmly believe that romney will supply the juice needed and get more junk back in the republican campaign step and be ahead by the time the republican convention...
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plus, week one of the romney-ryan tic ticket. we will ask our sunday panel how the republican running mate is doing so far are. and our power player of the week from hollywood to extreme sports he may be romney's top advisor. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. with paul ryan joining the republican ticket the presidential campaign took on a new intensity this week. especially over who has the best plan to preserve medicare. we will hear from a top romney strategist in a few minutes but first obama campaign senior advisor and former white house press secretary robert gibbs. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks for having me,. >> paul ryan campaigned in the victim lajeunesses with his 78 -- villages with h his 78-year-old mother betty and he said that the republicans want to protect medicare and the president is turning it into a piggy bank. let's watch. >> when i think about medicare it is not just a program, it is not just a bunch of numbers. it is what my mom relies on. the pr
plus, week one of the romney-ryan tic ticket. we will ask our sunday panel how the republican running mate is doing so far are. and our power player of the week from hollywood to extreme sports he may be romney's top advisor. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. with paul ryan joining the republican ticket the presidential campaign took on a new intensity this week. especially over who has the best plan to preserve medicare. we will hear...
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and mitt romney has picked paul ryan. but, you know, i think the point to remember here is that the romney-ryan part of this is something republican had already started and scott brown is deeply tied in to. >> this is just the beginning. you think this distancing is bad? just wait until people get a load of ryan's extreme positions on privatizing social security and other social issues. buckle your seat belts, folks. the monster that mitt has created cannot be stopped. it could poison his whole campaign. it might just take congressional republicans down with it. maybe democrats will be able to occupy the majority in congress after all. so congratulations, mitt. you have succeeded in changing the conversation. the election shifted from being a referendum betweenpom and tall ryan's tea party-steeped house republican caulkcusaucus. good look with that. congressman ryan, i think i will just have myself a hot cup of earl gray and offer a grateful toast of tea. welcome to the race. so glad you are here. coming up, presidential
and mitt romney has picked paul ryan. but, you know, i think the point to remember here is that the romney-ryan part of this is something republican had already started and scott brown is deeply tied in to. >> this is just the beginning. you think this distancing is bad? just wait until people get a load of ryan's extreme positions on privatizing social security and other social issues. buckle your seat belts, folks. the monster that mitt has created cannot be stopped. it could poison his...
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the ryan/romney plan would not do that. in fact by turning it into a voucher program, throwing seniors into the tender mercies into the private insurance market and capping growth the way they do, ultimately they'll ship thousands of dollars on the backs of seniors and medicare itself will be in a death spiral because it will be dissipated by seniors who -- healthy seniors going into a private system, leaving sick seniors in the existing medicare program. they don't believe in medicare, george. let's be honest. he doesn't believe in the medicare problem. newt gingrich called it right-wing social engineering when he served his medicare plan. >> polling said that he could help in the state of the wisconsin. and it will also help the midwest states of iowa. bottom line, does paul ryan help the ticket? >> well, that did remains to be seen. i think it help voters clarify what this is about. building an economy meant to last, invest in the middle class, education and training and the kind of things that we need to compete and giv
the ryan/romney plan would not do that. in fact by turning it into a voucher program, throwing seniors into the tender mercies into the private insurance market and capping growth the way they do, ultimately they'll ship thousands of dollars on the backs of seniors and medicare itself will be in a death spiral because it will be dissipated by seniors who -- healthy seniors going into a private system, leaving sick seniors in the existing medicare program. they don't believe in medicare, george....